Posts by Pants of Righteousness

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

Pants of Righteousness

Just referred again to the accused being the guilty - sympathy being extended to the accused and the guilty.

Pants.

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

The Jackson being questioned is not the GB member. He is a long standing elder / CO / DO since 1971 who has operated across various parts of Australia and now is a member of Windsor Gardens Congregation in Adelaide. And apparently has only come across this one instance of child abuse in all that time, if I heard correctly today.

In regard to having no Council, this looks like the protocol for a Royal Commission. The witness is on their own to answer questions.

This compares to the State of Victoria enquiry where Australian Bethel Director Terry O'Brien (due to appear as the 14th witness to this enquiry) had the support of a JW legal council who bailed him out a couple times. Will be interesting to see how he goes flying solo.

Pants.

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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.

by AndersonsInfo in

the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.

we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.

in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.

Pants of Righteousness

Max Horley just reconfirmed the 2 witness rule. No judicial committee unless 2 witnesses. He said the solution was to ask the accused to confess.

He was asked if he understood that sexual assault would not generally be witnessed - answered yes.

Admitted that it's a 'very sad situation' for the one making the accusation.

Again referred to calling the 'branch' or the 'society'.

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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.

by AndersonsInfo in

the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.

we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.

in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.

Pants of Righteousness

Live stream:

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx

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Flogging the Vat 4956 horse

by MightierThanTheSword in

i'm just curious about something & wonder if the experts could help.. basically i am documenting all of the main lines of evidence for the jws being the one & then investigating each claim systematically.. i have now reached the dreaded november 1st, 2011 watchtower & am sitting in front of a copy of cartes du ciel and a babylonian calendar converter i found at http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/babylon/babycal_converter.htm.

i realise these claims have been challenged and documented in depth elsewhere, but i'm keen to do my own research rather than copy & paste.

my question is regarding date conversion - when inputting the gregorian dates as given at the bottom of the tablet's translation i found at http://www.caeno.org/pdf/f019_translation.pdf then the lunar positions all seemed pretty close (visually, i wasn't dealing with exact degrees here).

Pants of Righteousness

Hi

The VAT 4956 observations were well explained in this post:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/216056/vat-4956-comparison-lunar-three-time-intervals-years-568-7-bce-588-7-bce

The observations much better match 568/7 BC rather than Furali's (WT) dating to 588/7 BC.

The lunar three observations which were disregarded by the 2011 WT article as 'not reliable', exclude the possibility of the WT dating to 588/7 BC.

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Jehovah's Witnesses recover best from surgery, despite refusing blood.

by nicolaou in

that's' the headline of an article in the sydney morning herald.

my jw family are sharing it with glee on facebook right now.

here's the link; .

Pants of Righteousness

Hi Umberto

The story broke in May 2014 as reported in the Sunday Times. The thread at the time was:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/279998/two-jehovahs-witnesses-were-paid-millions-restrict-wa-blood-transfusions

The Shannon Farmer referred to in the article is something of a bloodless surgery celebrity in JW world. He wrote this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Your-Body-Choice-Shannon-Farmer/dp/981041708X

The double standard is that the author - a former CO and elder - when dealing with a dieing Witness needing a transfusion, would push the doctrine of abstaining from blood (well, of course there's fractions ...), but are being paid to promote a program that only seeks to restrict the use of blood to one unit at a time.

A bit like abstaining from fornication - unless it's once 'unit' at a time.

Hope this helps

Regards to Adso

Pants

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I just had fun giving a talk!

by OneEyedJoe in

so, unfortunately, i'm still on the tms and had a talk tonight (in front of a co, no less) and the talk was on the subject of adultery.

in the source material there's reference to "spiritual adultery" i.e.

idolotry or when israel had alliances with pagan nations.

Pants of Righteousness

I had a bit of fun with some of my final 'talks'. In one I read the quote from the WT that said something to the effect that 'only JW's have a scriptual hope of surviving the end of the world'. A concerned sister asked me for the reference to the article afterwards.

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History of the church/Christianity, etc.

by Joe Grundy in

i have learned a great deal from some of the very erudite posters on this site (thank you).. for many years i've been interested in the history of the development of christianity, not only from its earliest days but through the reformation, etc., and through to the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries when denominations, sects, cults took off in all directions like exploding fireworks.. i was aware, in broad terms, of luther, calvin and the development of protestantism from which so many denominations and sects (including jws) arose.

i was vaguely aware of the schism (1,000 years ago) between the western (catholic) and eastern (orthodox) churches and was tangentially interested as to why it happened (if the 'east' was the home of christianity, how come the 'west' disagreed with it?).

i was quite interested to read, while living in cyprus, a greek orthodox english language bible which had a large section in the back about the schism.

Pants of Righteousness

I would recommend 'A History of Christianity - The First Three Thousand Years' by Diarmaid MacCulloch.

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The INTJ Personality Type, (and those close to it)

by done4good in

jw
friends

i am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the us, because it is keeping me up.. the recent four year old thread on the briggs myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding.

many here, (at least tested informally for), the intj personality type.

intjs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.. why does this matter?

Pants of Righteousness

Hello

Just checking in as another INTJ, having taken the test yesterday.

Shyness is nice ....

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two Jehovahs Witnesses were paid millions to restrict WA blood transfusions

by Watchtower-Free in

source: supplied.

Pants of Righteousness

There is more information on the Patient Blood Management (PBM) here:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/how-two-jehovahs-witnesses-were-paid-millions-to-restrict-wa-blood-transfusions/story-fnhocxo3-1226921294173

It's worth noting that under the program "Certain patients at Fremantle Hospital, where the PBM program was piloted, are restricted to one unit of blood at a time regardless of whether their doctor recommends more than one unit."

So when dealing with a dieing Witness needing a transfusion, these guys would push the doctrine of abstaining from blood (well, of course there's fractions ...), but are being paid millions to promote a program that only seeks to restrict the use of blood to one unit at a time.